#37 Tantra 101 with Dee Dussault

Joining us today is Dee Dussault, a sexuality coach, Yoga Alliance® certified yoga teacher, the creator of Ganja Yoga, and author of the book by that title. She has taught partner yoga, vanilla tantra, and cannabis-enhanced yoga to thousands of people across the US, Canada, and Europe. 

She studied sexuality for over a decade and carries an honors degree in Sexuality Studies. Her training was in the tantric tradition of Swami Satyananda of Bihar, India. Dee tells us what got her into tantra and explains that the practice is about much more than sex. She highlights the spiritual value as well as the opportunities it offers to fuel the evolution of our consciousness. 

She further discusses mindfulness, the importance of slowing down your sexual encounters, and why the edge of your comfort zone is where you want to be. We talk about solo orgasmic experiences, Kegel exercises and the exhilarating dynamic that marijuana can bring to your yoga routine. So tune in to find out how Dee can help you tap into your radiant embodied self! 

Key Points From This Episode:

• Some of Dee’s background and how she became a sexuality coach. 
• How tantra facilitates the whole human experience.
• Why tantra is for everyone, at any time.   
• The relationship between breathing and feeling. 
• What to do when you feel awkward at first. 
• How yoga can lead to arousal and orgasmic experience. 
• The benefits of redirecting genital energy.
• How energy orgasms can be achieved. 
• How tantric sex helps older people and those with sexual dysfunction. 
• The importance of balancing Kegel exercises with stretches. 
• How cannabis enhances your yoga routine. 
• And so much more!

Tweetables

“The idea is in Tantra that our sexual energy is the most potent energy we have as humans.” [0:04:05]

“Tantra allows the whole range of human emotions and experiences.” [0:08:00]

“You don’t need a partner to do tantra.” [0:08:22]  

“As you slow down your breath, your capacity to feel increases.” [0:09:37] 

“I recommend people play at the edge of their comfort zone.” [0:11:09] 

“Pleasure is our birthright.” [0:22:51]

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[0:01:06.0] Sean Jameson: Today I’m talking to Dee Dussault. Dee is a sexuality coach, Yoga Alliance® certified yoga teacher and the creator of Ganja Yoga, a book by the same name. Since 2009, she’s taught easy partner yoga, vanilla tantra and cannabis-enhanced yoga to thousands of people across the US, Canada and Europe. Dee studied sexuality for over a decade and she carries an honors degree in Sexuality Studies, with an additional sexuality certificate. She loves inspiring others to tap into the radiant embodied selves, and her training was in the tantric tradition of Swami Satyananda of Bihar, India. Dee, thanks so much for coming on the show and I hope I pronounced that swami’s name correctly.

[0:01:56.3] Dee Dussault: I think you did and I was taught, if you mispronounced the name, you just have to say Hari Krishna and she’ll relay it to the other deities that you had the best intentions in mind.

[0:02:06.3] Sean Jameson: Hari Krishna then.

[0:02:11.2] Dee Dussault: Thanks so much for having me, I’m excited to be here.

[0:02:12.9] Sean Jameson: Well, it’s great to have you and I’d love to maybe start off with a little bit about your background and how you came to teach tantra and become a sex coach.

[0:02:23.6] Dee Dussault: Yeah, great. I was studying sexuality at school and they have an undergraduate program where you can essentially make your own major, so I decided to major in sexuality. I was always really interested in it, even as a teenager, I would put magazines geared toward adults on the inside of my magazine and then the teenager magazine on the outside so my parents wouldn’t know that I was secretly reading about things that I might have been a little bit too young to be reading about.

I’ve just always been quite interested in it. I studied the sexuality and I was hoping to pursue master’s study and become a professor, but I switched directions and became more of a coach. I have more of working with couples or singles one on one, you know, experientially versus you know, writing academic papers about it or teaching about it.

[0:03:04.9] Sean Jameson: Sure. What is tantra exactly?

[0:03:10.4] Dee Dussault: Yeah, that’s a tough one, it’s got a lot of different definitions and understandings so I’ll do my best to describe it as I understand it. When I left my academic studies to pursue my yoga teacher training, I did it in a tantric tradition and my teacher taught us that you know, tantra is, it’s a spiritual tradition, it’s a type of yoga and it’s a lot more than about sex, a lot of people know that it has something to do with sex.

It’s actually encompasses the whole of the human experience and considers the whole human experience to be spiritual or potentially spiritual. Sexuality is included but so is jealousy or anger or road rage or eating ice cream. Any experience that is sort, of you know, an opportunity for you to become more present, more in your senses, you know, cultivating energy, realizing that you’re alive and feeling grateful.

All of that could be tantra. It doesn’t have to include the sexual elements but the theory is or the idea is in tantra that our sexual energy is the most potent energy that we have as humans. So anger, jealousy, love, all of these other, you know, in tantra, it’s the sexual energy that we can use to fuel our evolution of our consciousness to higher states.

You can use sexuality in the sort of more mindful or ritualistic way to make it a spiritual or yogic act. That’s the understanding I have but I always tell my sex coaching clients or my tantra yoga clients that you can practice tantra at the dentist, if you’re aware of the smells and the sounds and the experiences, the feelings, that’s just as tantra as a partner yoga experience or a hot make out.

[0:04:49.1] Sean Jameson: Okay, then a good way of saying, would it be just saying that tantra is like a mindfulness practice maybe?

[0:04:57.4] Dee Dussault: Yeah, totally, exactly. It’s a spiritual practice, it’s a type of yoga so it has all the mindfulness of yoga but instead of focusing on movement and postures and your body moving through space on your yoga mat, the way [inaudible 0:05:08] yoga practices has tantra any time and all the time.

A lot of yogis, you know, none tantric yogis, regular yogis would say that yoga too isn’t all the time any time practice and you’re not supposed to just be mindful on your rubber sticky mat or you’re supposed to practice mindfulness throughout the day. They’re very similar in that way, they’re cousin practices that are about bringing more awareness to the present moment instead of being lost in the thoughts.

[0:05:33.9] Sean Jameson: is it exclusively, you know, something that’s maybe a little bit, like you said, spiritual, is it exclusively that or you know, if there’s maybe someone living in I don’t’ know, North Dakota and they drive a truck, you know, is that something they can also appreciate and in— 

[0:05:58.3] Dee Dussault: Definitely yeah. You know, if you come to it with the intention of you know, I want to learn tantra, I want to come to it from the spiritual side and I want us to feel more awake and alive and in a world and feel gratitude and be sort of spiritual feelings, you know, that’s great. But a lot of my clients actually aren’t coming necessarily for spiritual purposes, they’re coming from much more pragmatic ones.

Maybe they’ve stopped finding each other attractive or not even find each other attractive but stop prioritizing sex or you know, maybe there’s erectile dysfunction or orgasm dysfunction. They’re coming for maybe pragmatic reasons, they’re not coming to evolve their consciousness and you know, experience nirvana from the yoga standpoint that eastern kind of standpoint. A much more kind of western or pragmatic concern but in learning about Tantra, a lot of them are really amazed to find how it can help their immediate sexual concern, the pragmatic concern.

They find themselves actually becoming more drawn to and aware of those more spiritual side. Tantra really meets you where you’re at, if you’re not drawn to the spiritual, there’s tons of practices that you can discard, there’s no dogma, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do and you can adapt and modify the things. It really is for everyone.

It really meets you where you are so that’s truck driver, you know, if they want to learn the spiritual stuff, they can if that’s their intention. But if that’s not their intention then there’s really no judgment or dogma that you have to adopt this sort of spiritual attitude or you know, wear white clothing or just sort of— people have these fears that the mystical will trap you and you’ll have to become kind of this hippie sort of person all the time and that’s really not the case.

[0:07:37.2] Sean Jameson: Well, it’s good to know. Let’s say someone’s listening and they want to try or they want to explore the kind of sexual aspect of tantra, maybe the female listener, maybe it’s a male and female partner and where would you advise them to start or is there a practice they can try out?

[0:07:58.0] Dee Dussault: Yeah, totally, yeah. You know, tantra allows the whole range of human emotions and experiences including sexuality but you know, it doesn’t have to include sexuality but often times, you know, that’s what we’re curious about or that’s where people’s curiosity lies. If somebody’s curious about a sort of a sexual spiritual practice or you know, learning tantra, a couple of neat things to do whether you know, you have a partner or not, you know, because you don’t need a partner to do tantra or you know, to have a spiritual sexuality.

A couple of things, you know, maybe in your own masturbation practice is to slow down, a lot of people know that Tantra is slow, you know, 10 or more years ago, the singer Sting, I think told some talk show host back at the time that his love-making sessions would last for four or five hours. You know, that could be kind of scary, that sounds maybe a little bit intimidating for some people but it’s really about just slowing it down.

Techniques and tips and practices aside, whatever you’re already doing to just be less oriented toward the goal and you know, that orgasm or the final results. More in the present moment and all of the senses and all of the emotions that exist when you really slow down. 

Choosing to slow down, you know, whether in partnered sex or masturbation, slowing down whatever you’re already doing and also bring awareness to the breath, that’s another big piece similar to conventional yoga as we know it, just watching your breath and seeing if you can slow down the breath too.

[0:09:22.6] Sean Jameson: Awesome. If someone then wants to go a little bit deeper than that, do you have any advice for them?

[0:09:30.6] Dee Dussault: Totally, yeah. You know, say we’re talking about someone who is masturbating, just experiencing self-pleasure. As you start to slow down and as you slow down your breath, your capacity to feel increases. When we’re in a panic state or stressed or angry, we breathe more quickly.

It’s a physiological response to the adrenaline and we feel less. There’s less sensation and in fact, even less awareness of emotion, it’s almost like we’re taken by our emotion but we’re not necessarily able to hold it or be present to it. The act of slowing down the breath puts us more not only more relaxed and more in the present moment but it actually increases the blood flow to the sensory nerves of the body so you feel your body more.

Slowing down your breath makes your body suddenly feel more pleasurable because you’re able to actually feel it and feel those emotions more, maybe emotions that we might label them positive, we might label them negative but in tantra, they’re all welcomed, it’s just about noticing in the same way that in Buddhism or mindfulness we notice what is, right?

If you want to kind of take it deeper beyond slowing down and slowing down the breath, you might, you know, if you have a partner, another really nice practice is to just spend some time without speaking but looking into each other’s eyes and that can be kind of intimidating or weird but again, we welcome all the human emotions, all the human experiences, it may not always be ecstatic, mystical love making, it might feel like, this is a little weird, this is a little bit edgier, outside my comfort zone.

Can we breathe in that edginess, can we breathe in that discomfort? And of course, if it’s so uncomfortable that there’s going to be trauma, you know, stop the exercise but if it’s just mildly uncomfortable, that’s often where we as humans grow, I recommend people play at the edge of their comfort zone and you know, just gaze, maybe it’s only 10 seconds or 20 seconds and maybe you just breathe together, you tell your partner, you know, I heard on this podcast that it can kind of deepen the sense of sacredness or spirituality or I just want to try something different. 

Can we look into each other’s eyes? Just maybe put a timer for one minute or let’s do five breaths or whatever you want to agree at the beginning or maybe it’s organic, you just go as long as you want without setting a parameter. For me, eye contact is just a really beautiful way to relate with someone beyond touch, beyond words, it’s a different way and you could do it yourself in the mirror, it might sound a little strange but even just spending one or two or three minutes looking into your own eyes, your own face, observing yourself, noticing what emotions arise, what judgments or thoughts arise and see if you can just let those go.

It’s a beautiful practice in self-love. As I said before, you definitely don’t need a partner for a lot of these things.

[0:12:01.6] Sean Jameson: That is fantastic, thanks so much for that, Dee.

[0:12:03.8] Dee Dussault: For sure, no problem, I love helping people to you know, relax and feel good and I had the luxury of not having a lot of sort of sexual baggage from my childhood or my family of origin or I don’t have a religion that’s been oppressive to my sexuality. I just lucked out that I got kind of a head start that not a lot of things are taboo for me. 

I want everyone else to feel as open and expressed and as joyful in their sex life and in their lives in general that I’m able to feel.

[0:12:29.9] Sean Jameson: Absolutely. You’re also a yogi and yoga is a great way you know, to work on both your mind and your body and I’d love if maybe you could talk a little bit about how certain aspects of yoga can greatly enhance, you know, someone’s sex life.

[0:12:47.4] Dee Dussault: Yeah, totally, yeah. You know, tantra aside, you know, as we call tantra, you know, just for a quick, short hand, the yoga of sex, we know now it’s more than sex but a quick short hand and then the other yoga that in studios is more of the yoga of just the mind/body connection but it doesn’t usually focus on sexuality at all or mention sexuality at all.

But if you do a Google search of yoga and orgasm or yoga and sex, there’s more and more stories coming out, specifically of women having orgasms or at least getting very turned on at a regular yoga class. Not a tantra class or you know, just the act of relaxing, like I said, breathing more slowly, letting the blood flow through, especially if you sit a lot, there’s a lot of stagnation in the hips and pelvis right at the genitals.

Stagnant blood, you’re not getting circulations, the lymph is not leaving. You know, most of us sit too much so movement and stretching especially through the legs and pelvis, you know, getting blood flow in. Women are definitely reporting feeling turned on, some are even reporting orgasms at the class or you know, something like we can even talk about what an orgasm is or the definition of an orgasm but orgasm-like experiences or orgasmic experiences at classes.

I think it’s the combination of the blood flow, the circulation, the slower breath and just sort of moving in general and of course, relaxing. A lot of my clients find, you know, if they’re coming to me because they’re not prioritizing sex, I do recommend that they go to yoga or at least one of them go to yoga.

Especially women who in our culture where we have equality and women are working now too and that’s great. It’s quite masculine though to be out in the world. You know, if you think of not what kind of genitals you have but more just the yin and the yang of everything in life has an element of masculinity or activeness and an element of femininity.

Our culture in general is not encouraging anyone really that feminine. You know, it could be argued that women need to tap into that feminine which you know, resting anytime with other women or in community or with family or children or self-care, taking a bath, these are all kind of feminine and I’m a feminist and I don’t believe in just two genders that we’re a very postmodern now with— I’m using these words not to mean biological gender if someone could be trans but just the general orientation. 

[0:15:03.1] Sean Jameson: Yeah or a non-binary version.

[0:15:04.7] Dee Dussault: Yeah, non-binary, exactly so I am very careful not to say. I don’t want to perpetuate a binary that doesn’t work for people but if we’re all in a spectrum, the ideas that the yin or the feminine side of the spectrum is being undervalued in our culture and we all would benefit from tapping into it more and traditionally, the yin has been considered community and the body versus the mind. So spending time with others and spending time moving, dance, art. 

These are considered feminine in that use of the word for yin and so because women are working so much, a lot of my women clients are finding that they are not turned on anymore. They’re disconnected with their bodies and it is happening with men too for sure, don’t get me wrong but I recommend that these clients go to yoga as a way to happen to their libido in a sort of non-direct way that it is a happy byproduct. 

[0:15:53.8] Sean Jameson: You mentioned discussing what an orgasm is and I’d love to come back to that if that’s okay. 

[0:15:59.5] Dee Dussault: Oh sure, yeah so as you get practicing with tantra and you are playing with some of the different breathing and not only slowing down your breath but noticing as you are perhaps masturbating or having sex where how your breath changes and for most of us as we get more aroused, our breathing rate will increase. I mean as we approach orgasm some of us might hold our breath to build more tension. 

Some tantra practices, although it is about building sexual energy or having a free expressive sex life, some tantra practices intentionally delay orgasm, you know that orgasmic release or some practices don’t even go to the orgasm and I am talking about what we all know as an orgasm of the genital, your standard orgasm. Some practices instead want to hold that energy in and move it out of the genitals and more through the whole body. 

So believe it or not you can feel as much pleasure through the rest of your body or maybe it is your other erogenous zones, or maybe it’s things you didn’t even know were turn on places, like make your heart chakra or something, but through the power of breathing and visualizing, you might be able to pull that sort of genital energy, that blood flow that tension or that arousal if you like up into your heart and with visualization and different kinds of breath, you might experience an orgasm from your heart. 

And so it may not feel exactly like a genital orgasm which is based for the most part for most of us on like a friction and tension but it will feel definitely like the way a sneeze has a buildup and a peak and a sense of release and a sneeze is a reflex. You can’t force to sneeze and a sneeze is very pleasurable. So I would say a sneeze to me is a form of orgasm. It is a non-genital orgasm, non-sexual. You can have similar type experiences through your whole body. 

That are much more pleasurable than a sneeze, much more akin to what we think of as orgasms. So I call them orgasms but sometimes there is no genital touch involved at all and yet the person feels like that sneeze feeling were it builds up and I am going over the edge now and there’s this definite release. So to me if an orgasm is a pleasurable reflex then these are energy orgasms and they feel ecstatic and wonderful and different from genital orgasms. 

And the idea in tantra in my own personal experiences is that they are very healing because of these different types of breath work change the carbon dioxide and oxygen ratio in your brain. It actually does produce a altered state or an alternate state. So similar to psychedelics or ecstatic dance where you might dance until you’re in an altered state. This type of breathwork, [inaudible 0:18:27] breath work or Holotropic Breathwork is a similar type of practice. 

These produce altered states that are, you are very aroused but because it has that yoga and mindfulness element and because you are moving slowly it also has a lot of relaxation. So usually arousal and relaxation are on opposite sides of the spectrum but in tantric sex we are actually bridging them and having them at the same time. So it can feel pretty different for people who are more used to that. In porn for example, the sexual arousal constantly builds. 

There is never a dip or fluctuation and then it goes to the orgasm and it is done. So that’s how many of us think of sex or how sex should be so in tantra there is much more of this wave of, “Okay for these moments I am building toward something and now I am spreading it out” and it is less concentrate, more diffuse and it’s less of that masculine arrow where I have a goal, I want to go to the ultimate pleasure and more of that feminine or oceanic. 

And the pleasure is everywhere. I don’t have to feel it just in my genitals. So that interplay of again the masculine and feminine polarities.

[0:19:29.5] Sean Jameson: I love that perspective.

[0:19:31.0] Dee Dussault: Yeah, I know it’s great and it is great for people. I have some aging clients, older clients, guys, who have trouble maintaining and achieving erections as they age and of course, having good cardiovascular health and a low stress life is important and so look at those things too but if those were taken care of, I mean there is still for whatever reason difficulty there. Tantra is great because it relies so much less on genitals and more on the whole body that you don’t really need an erect penis to have sex. 

You could make love to your partner or make love to yourself in different ways. So you get to rewrite sexuality despite the body that might be aging that isn’t able to have conventional types. So it is actually really great for that population. 

[0:20:12.3] Sean Jameson: I love to come back to yoga for a second and I am just wondering if you have any advice on maybe yoga positions or even just exercises in general that would help strengthen the pelvic floor and Kegel muscles. 

[0:20:27.1] Dee Dussault: Yeah, totally. So just before I get into the yoga poses, I will do a quick aside about Kegels. I do teach them because especially they can help bring blood flow to the genitals of both genders and produce stronger orgasms because the muscle is stronger. So it is contractive reflex will be stronger when you orgasm. So I am all for them and they are great for women after giving birth and stuff but the issue that’s arising is that people are over strengthening those sets of muscles without stretching them. 

So in many ways you could think of the body builder who is doing a ton of bicep curls. They are always contracting and shortening that muscle but he never stretches it. In the same way, constantly putting tensions of that type, contractive tensions on the pelvic floor can actually pull your whole sacrament out of alignment. It can do a lot of damage in terms of having organs prolapsed potentially into other places, things that you really want to avoid. 

But at the very least, changing the tilt of the pelvis in a negative way that can cause compression in your vertebral disks. So only Kegeling without stretching could be worse than not Kegeling at all. So when I teach the Kegel – I say Kegel, you might say Keagle, when I teach it I always teach that not only do you squeeze, for both genders. We all have public floors, squeezing like you might stop the flow of urine. For women, I sometimes say imagine you have a juicy ripe plum inside. 

And you are going to squeeze that plum and squish it but when you are done with that contraction to push out, you might do it right now while you are listening to the podcast to push out, you know I am just going to say it, like you are pushing out a bowel movement. Honestly that extending, that pushing just so you are pulling and pushing those muscles equally and you are doing your weight training and your yoga equally, you are stretching equally. 

So that is just my aside about Kegels. So that is one great way to bring awareness to your genitals and you can do it at the office. You know we are so on our screens and our devices that we can forget that we have bodies or that we are animals. No wonder people are having less sex or not prioritizing it. You know in the country of Japan, sex has gone way down. People are not really prioritizing it and I fear that that is happening in our culture too. 

So just remembering that we are animals and that we are mammals and that sex feels good and just shed as much shame around sex and to enjoy that animal part of ourselves is important. So Kegels are great because they remind us anytime and anyplace like, “Oh I have all these nerve endings. I could get some pleasure here right here right now” and pleasure is our birth right and especially if you’re stretching them afterwards and pushing out as much as you pull in. 

So that is one piece and then any yoga stretch or posture that brings blood flow into the hips and pelvis is going to be useful. Truly any movement or posture is useful to me. You know one of my favorites that is available to all levels because to me a big part of my yoga teaching and philosophy is that it is not just for the elite dancer body but our bodies. You could do it sitting on a chair, you don’t need a yoga mat. You just cross to your right ankle over your left knee. 

So you look like you are making a triangle or number four shape with your legs and for many people, the stretch is already present that is all you have to do because we are pretty tight in our hips and for those that don’t feel much from having their ankle not on the opposite knee but just beyond it so it’s past it. If you want a little more stretch, flex the top ankle and then push down on the top knee and those two things together will bring even more stretch. 

And so again, you could do this on the bus or at your work or waiting for the menu at the restaurant. A quick stretch, obviously the more time and intention and mindfulness you put in the more result you’ll get but you really can do this while watching TV or whatever and you know it is a really easy way to bring blood flow into the hips. I am trying to think of something that people can do anytime anywhere if they don’t have the opportunity to go to yoga but any movement at all that brings blood flow is going to be helpful sexually. 

[0:24:18.4] Sean Jameson: Awesome. So I know you are the inventor of Ganja Yoga and just before we talk about that, I am wondering if you have any advice or any thoughts on using cannabis, on using marijuana, weed to try to improve sex where it’s legal. Do you have any advice on that? 

[0:24:40.2] Dee Dussault: Oh yeah totally of course where it’s legal. I always recommend people start low if they are newer to cannabis or if they’re new to using it in a sexual way or with a partner. It never hurts to have too little. You know the worst cases that, “Oh that was kind of boring. I didn’t feel anything” that is not that bad or worst case. The worst case of doing too much is that you might overconsume. I try not to use the phrase overdose, it implies something quite fatal or serious. 

You can’t die from taking too much cannabis. It sometimes can feel like you might die though. It feels really bad to overconsume. So I recommend just starting low, starting slow and you can always add more. So yeah, that is my first, I think even most important thing is just to start slow and there is so many different methods of consumption nowadays and strains and types of flavoring and products and dosing. You could do a lot of research online to find something that you’re drawn to. 

You get really granular and knowledgeable or you could just explore with what’s already in your world or what you are already kind of curious about, you know is it vaping or is smoking. They all have pros and cons so it is like whenever you are most drawn to might be a good place to start and you might want to explore it in a sexual way by yourself before bringing a partner in. So for masturbation or taking a bath or doing your own yoga or just how does this cannabis work on me. 

When I am exploring my sexuality or exploring my body on my own. You know if you are very comfortable with it and very comfortable with your partner, there is no harm in integrating them all together but if it is kind of new, it doesn’t hurt to be alone just at that first time. If it feels better to have somebody there then of course do that then and so yeah, it’s such an individualized experience of cannabis like how much and how often and at what point during the love making so it is hard to give tips. 

[0:26:24.8] Sean Jameson: Okay and then what about Ganja Yoga, can you talk a little bit about that? 

[0:26:30.7] Dee Dussault: Sure. So as the name implies, cannabis-enhanced yoga and it’s for all bodies and all levels all levels of experience of yoga. So I get a lot of— who get to see our yoga who are curious, maybe you already are curious about the cannabis or already use it but I also get a lot of people who are new to cannabis. So I get people on both sides of that spectrum already do yoga and do to cannabis or already do cannabis and new to yoga and sometimes I get, of course, people who have done both already. 

But we do get quite a bit of that new energy and in part because the classes are marketed specifically like I said before to be for all bodies, sizes and ages. So it is really a relaxation-based yoga, it is not headstands and handstands and stuff you’d see on a magazine cover. It really is just to relax and feel good and chill out and the cool thing is we spend the first 30 minutes before the class starts getting high together. So it has this community element that isn’t present at most yoga studios. 

You know usually studio culture is that you finish your practice and you roll your mat up and leave because the next class is coming in and there’s not really a lot of opportunities to get to know people but we have this really leisurely experience where it is more than just a yoga class. This time before they get high and then there is even time afterwards. So say you over consumed and you just need a little time to gather yourself before you hopefully get on public transit not driving. 

Or you want to get to know your fellow yogi, there is this time after to integrate and have fun. So it really is as much about the community as it is about the ganja and of course, the relaxing yoga let’s bring those together not one is stronger than the other. So I have been doing sex coaching and tantra work for as long as I’ve been doing ganja yoga. This June will be my ten-year anniversary of all things so it is an exciting year. 

[0:28:09.9] Sean Jameson: Awesome. Dee, this has been fantastic. I am just wondering if someone wants to find out more about you, maybe get in touch to find out more about tantra or your sex coaching, what is the best place for people to reach you at? 

[0:28:23.7] Dee Dussault: Oh yes, so probably my website is the best place and it is my name which is not easy to spell. So Dee is my first name and then my last name Dussault, so Dussault but it’s spelled like de-salt. That kind of strange way, French Canadian.

[0:28:55.1] Sean Jameson: Awesome. I will include all those links in the show notes. 

[0:28:59.0] Dee Dussault: Wonderful, thank you. I appreciate it and yeah, I will be going to Jamaica this April. So if any of your listeners want to join me there, 4/20 is the big stoner celebration, April 20^th so no better place to go but Jamaica. 

[0:29:10.8] Sean Jameson: Sure, Dee thanks so much for coming on the show. 

[0:29:14.5] Dee Dussault: My ultimate pleasure. Thank you so much Sean.