#28 Introduction to Polyamory and Non-monogamy with Poly Anna

Today on the podcast we welcome Poly Anna from the Sexploration with Poly Anna Podcast! In this episode we will be chatting about all things polyamory and getting Poly Anna’s personal and professional ideas, experiences and views on the subject. After a more traditional upbringing and early parts of her adult life, Poly Anna eventually found the strong desire for polyamory within herself and chose to pursue this urge.

We get into the social aspects, catching feelings, intimacy and a host of other factors in this largely uncharted world of love. Poly Anna also gives us some great definitions and differentiations between various forms of ethical non-monogamy as well as sharing some positive and negative experiences of her own, navigating multiple partners and relationships. It promises to be a great episode with loads of helpful and juicy information for all of you.

Key Points From This Episode

• Poly Anna’s own experiences and history with monogamy and polyamory.
• Social expectations of polyamory and taboo acts.
• How Poly Anna found her kinks and deeper desires.
• Defining polyamory more clearly.
• Some other versions of ethical non-monogamy.
• Catching feelings and managing these in multiple relationships.
• Is polyamory just an excuse to cheat without getting caught?
• The initial steps to take in exploring polyamory.
• Reaching out for help, support and information regarding this.
• Maintaining intimacy with a primary partner.
• Some of Poly Anna’s own experiences in polyamorous relationships.
• Common stumbling blocks for different models of relationships.
• Lessons for monogamy from polyamory!
• Should everyone try polyamory?
• Communication and coming out as polyamorous.
• And much more!

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Sean Jameson: Today on The Bad Girls Bible Podcast, we’re going to be talking about polyamory and non-monogamy with my guest Poly Anna. Poly Anna believes conversations have the power to redefine normal for a relationship and she also hosts two weekly podcasts of her own. Sexploration with Poly Anna on Tuesdays and the After Chat with Poly Anna on Thursdays. Her hope is to encourage others to be true to themselves in healthy and happy ways no matter how much of a departure that may seem from what’s considered mainstream.

Poly Anna, thanks so much for coming in the show.

Poly Anna: It’s my pleasure, I’m such a fan of your show so I’m so glad that we could do this today.

Sean Jameson: Great, thank you. I love to start off with how you got involved, you know, what your story is I guess with polyamory and non-monogamy.

Poly Anna: Yeah, for my background, it’s actually quite a huge departure. I was raised in a strict, conservative Christian family of community influencers. You know, people that you know, did fund raisers around the community and so I had a really strict influence, even going to private schools growing up.

As I was growing up and you know, had a crush on the girl on my girls’ volleyball team in junior high, I had really confused feelings and with that religious influence, I actually thought like I was possessed by the devil or something. There was something wrong with me, I was cursed or what have you. As I grew up and I became sexually active and was exposed to things like pornography, which was of course very sinful of me to have even looked at in the first place, I know. I felt a lot of catholic field for that.

I’d suggest things to my boyfriend, kind of kinky things. Things that I was seeing on these amazing videos that I loved to indulge in on the sly. I was met with a lot of feedback like I was too freaky, I was perverted. So of course that really reaffirms those feelings of wow, there’s something really wrong with me, wrong with my brain. Being a serial monogamist from like the age 16, all the way up into through my marriage, I just really didn’t have a chance to explore what was out there and really kind of be in touch with who I was. As I was going through the process of getting divorced, I finally got the chance to start to question things.

That’s really kind of when I became exposed to sexed up cultures and discovered that I’m a member of so many of them and then that’s why all of these things weren’t quite clicking for me. It’s really been quite a huge growth. Just in the last few years of first accepting that no, I’m not cursed by the devil and so that was step one. Then just kind of accepting that there were other options and opportunities for being a different type of normal.

Sean Jameson: What kind of opportunities did you find?

Poly Anna: Good question, well, actually. While I was going through my divorce, I was packing up my house, I discovered this one show on Showtime I think it was called Polyamory – Married and Dating. It blew my mind. I can’t even say. Here, I’ve never heard of open relationships before. I had never heard of non-monogamy of ethical non-monogamy which polyamory is one of the types that is under the umbrella of ethical non-monogamy.

Just knowing that that was possible, seeing this example of this healthy, happy relationships that were so different from what I’ve ever known, just really kind of opened my mind to okay, what else is out there? Is somebody ever going to want to use this handcuffs that I bought when I was 18 and all the other things that kind of come to mind. I really started doing research and you know, when I first started out looking into, at that point, what was out there, there really weren’t that many podcasts like yours to really learn and educate.

I really kind of had to dig deep for it.

Sean Jameson: Just have a discussion. I think sometimes people feel that to do something that’s not mainstream, you have to be some kind of crazy hippie, taking acid.

Poly Anna: It’s got to be something like really the underbelly of society, right?

Sean Jameson: Yeah, for sure.

Poly Anna: Or like the slippery slope too. I think that that’s what a lot of people, once I’m now out and for people in just my regular life know that I’m bisexual and polyamorous and they’re shocked because their first kind of impression is wow, you’re so normal. How is there not something like really wrong with you? How can you have friends and how can you have a community where you’re just such a boring every day person. There’s a lot of paradigm shifting has to happen.

Sean Jameson: Yeah, I think sometimes people forget, there’s different sides to everyone’s personality, you can be a son, a father, you know, you can also have a job, be a manager but be an employee as well. You know, you have all these different roles and often, they don’t bleed in to the rest of your life.

Perhaps this is the case as well if you’re not in the mainstream relationship, it’s not necessarily becomes your whole life but that’s just your relationship side of your life.

Poly Anna: Absolutely. I mean, it’s all about balance too. Yes, I have my kink, I’m into kink, I’m into submission which is power play and all the other things like that.

Sean Jameson: Sorry to interrupt but how did you find that out? What was the story there to discovering all this after you, you know, you saw this TV show on Showtime, what happened next?

Poly Anna: Well, it really helped with just having and seeking out and finding open minded partners that I could explore with safely. And kind of push the edges and boundaries of the things I wanted to try. Because like I said before, I went to all private schools growing up so of course all my boyfriends were conservative and kind of came from the same influence I did. When I’d suggest these things like playing with toys and stuff, you know that kind of freaked them out.

Now that I was in this setting where I had partners that I could kind of test those things out that I had inclinations to try before, I could try them and then try new things and learn new things. You know, some things you try and you don’t like, that’s too and then something’s you do and they just really speak to you. With power play, that was something to me that was like – the first sexual experience for me that was kind of what I would describe as soulful and really just cut through to the core of my sexual side and sexual self.

Being able to explore that with just, it was very freeing, empowering and then I had a lot of – a lot more love and acceptance for myself where I had a lot of insecurities before.

Sean Jameson: Okay, that’s cool. What is – for people listening that aren’t fully sure of the meaning of polyamory, what is it exactly?

Poly Anna: Yeah, there’s – well what’s great about polyamory is that there’s no shortage of terminology and I think that that’s – there’s a lot to learn there. I mean, it’s way too much to cover in one show for sure. But kind of one of the – it is kind of also too whatever you make it. Anyone that’s interested in polyamory, really should just do – just kind of really become immersed in learning about all the different ways that it can present, like the types of ways that people stick out polyamory.

For example, for me, I’m a single poly. I’m kind of like a solo poly person who anyone that I date knows, one of the first conversations we have is that I will be dating other people because that’s kind of how my heart loves. That’s kind of one of the first things I describe to people is my heart was built to love more than one person at a time and actually, to crave that.

Not everyone is built that way. Some people consider polyamory and they discover that no they are genuinely monogamous or that maybe they’re looking for some sort of other ethical non-monogamy and then that’s right for them.

Sean Jameson: What are the other versions then of polyamory and non-monogamy that people might consider?

Poly Anna: Yeah, one form of ethical non-monogamy that I actually consider myself part of that sexed up culture too is swinging. That’s what it was traditionally called but people today usually prefer to call it the lifestyle. They say like I live the lifestyle. That’s where you have, and it can be a single person and it can be a person that’s in a couple or even polyamorous people can be like I am, in the lifestyle.

That’s where you might have your primary relationship or relationships but then you have sexual encounters for people that you’re not in a relationship with. That can be usually plural play, anything from a threesome to a more-some or an orgy, whatever you want to for it is. Some people they kind of like to play, so that’s meaning sex, more quickly, it’s kind of the traditional sense of like you know, you meet and maybe it can be completely anonymous or maybe it can kind of move quickly but for me and for a lot of other people I know, it’s about friendships that you form and nurturing those friendships and then play can happen.

Sean Jameson: When you say friendships, things like that, do feelings start to kind of creep in? Do people start catching feelings?

Poly Anna: They can, that can happen, friendship can lead to more, absolutely. There’s definitely then – I mean, there’s people that I’ve dated in the past who within the swinging community, you know, would start out and we’d just be friends and maybe play would happen and then the friendships become something more.

That definitely can happen but that doesn’t necessarily mean that polyamory is right for those people. Which is actually been not been my experience in a couple of cases. It’s a very complex relationship type. With swinging, it’s kind of most simply defined as having multiple sexual partners and then with polyamory, it’s having multiple romantic partners.

With romance, of course there’s a lot more layers that come into that especially if you’re integrating each other into each other’s lives.

Sean Jameson: For sure. One question I get emailed about quite a lot is maybe one partner suggests polyamory and they’re just afraid or a version of non-monogamy and they’re afraid that the partner suggesting it just wants to cheat and not feel guilty about it. Is it an excuse for cheating for a lot of people or is that really just edge cases and not very good people?

Poly Anna: Yeah, you just hit on one of the most common misconceptions about polyamory and swinging too. With polyamory, a lot of people say that it’s just kind of an excuse for cheating, that it’s just cheaters that want to put a flowery term on it and just get away with it. But nothing could be further from the truth, cheating can happen in polyamory just as much as it can happen in monogamy.

For me, cheating is and I think a lot of people would agree with this, it’s about the deceit, it’s about the lying, it’s about the breaking the rules and boundaries of your relationship. In polyamory, absolutely, one of the most important things that you work on over time is conversations of relationship hierarchy where you just establish together and define and agree to rules, boundaries that you will both comply to together faithfully. When you break the rules of that, that can come in the form of cheating. So cheating is cheating regardless of what relationship format you have and so, as a polyamorist, I absolutely am not okay with cheating regardless.

I think you – did you m mentioned that people wanting to suggest to their partners I think at the start of that.

Sean Jameson: Yeah, like the kind of email I get is, female partner in heterosexual relationship saying, “Hey, my husband just out of the blue suggested polyamory and now I’m worried that actually, he just wants to sleep with one particular person and he’s using it as an excuse to not feel guilty.”

Poly Anna: Yeah, I think that’s a great opportunity for a conversation to happen which is just actually the beginning of getting ready for polyamory because you got to have those relationship hierarchy conversations, right? It’s also something too where a lot of people will be resistant to – I mean, any new idea first, especially if you’re not familiar with it, of course you’re not going to be comfortable with it at first but in my experience, a lot of people that grow into polyamory start out feeling that way.

That’s not an uncommon feeling, absolutely, a lot of people, you should enter it with a lot of thought and care and consideration, I mean, your relationship is something that you should treasure. If you’re going into it together, you should treat that treasure as much as you value it. Taking the time to talk to others with more experience, certainly learning and educating yourself and a lot of people might find that they’ll grow into discovering that it’s something that is appealing to them too.

Maybe it just kind of is starting to appeal to her partner and he’s suggesting it but she might grow to find that hey, this might be something that really might be right for me too. I would like to discuss it more. These kind of growth, that kind of growth takes time. I mean, even myself when I first heard about polyamory, I didn’t – for a minute want to go yes, that’s for me. You know? It’s something that I grew to over time, it just interested me, I want to learn more about it and then I happened to enter it lightly.

I happened to be dating a man and a woman separately at the same time and experienced the feeling of falling in love for both of them at the same time which confirmed for me and that that was something that definitely described me. These things definitely, there’s no rush for something good is one thing that I always say.

Taking the time to talk about it, really consider it thoughtfully is very important for anyone and everyone when it comes to polyamory.

[0:13:31.3] Sean Jameson: Okay, what initial steps, let’s say there’s a couple that listens to the podcast together, you know, they hear this idea polyamory and they think, let’s be sensible here, we want to try this out. What initial steps should a couple take, you know, if they’re interested in polyamory, they don’t want to mess up their existing relationship but they want to kind of try it out?

Poly Anna: Yes, I usually caution people from this. Okay, we’re going to try polyamory, just going straight to dating. Because I feel like what happens most successfully is when you start to talk about it, think about it and then you just happen to just come across someone who just really fits the right feeling for both of you. Maybe – it also depends too because sometimes you might meet somebody that’s kind of a right feel for one of you and not the other.

How do you deal with that? I would say, definitely dealing with it cautiously is important.

Sean Jameson: Be cautious.

Poly Anna: What I did. Be cautious. There’s no rush for something good ever. Somebody worth waiting for and if you’re worth waiting for, you’ll kind of wait for it to develop naturally. Now, I’m not saying decades or anything but there’s no need to move in two weeks for something that could be done more carefully in two months. One thing that I did is I looked – I like to look for pros and cons and there’s a lot of excellent blogs and articles out there that I poured over that others can too, where they go over the pros and cons because there really are – there’s risks.

You know, as a single person in polyamory, there’s certain risks dating a married couple. They’ve got the financial stability for example pertaining to the two of them. If I’m investing too much of my life financially, then I am putting myself at a little risk there if that doesn’t work out, right? So there is definitely pros and cons to consider for sure and I think that that’s a great way to have a well-rounded education to decide how you feel about it.

Sean Jameson: So do you think they should maybe sit down, discuss what they are interested in or should they email each other articles or do you have more specific –

Poly Anna: Yeah, I would do research independently and together and then also I would recommend talking to someone seeing if you can find somebody who is polyamorous and has had that experience. One way that I know here locally, there’s Facebook groups actually with polyamorous people and so I see people all the time reach out and ask, “You know is anyone free for coffee?” Or something like that to come and meet and answer my questions.

But when you sit down and discuss it, it is not these kind of overall general concepts we’re touching on here today. It is the real facts about it like the formats, are you going to be dating as a group? Are you going to be dating individually? Just talking about how it feels and then talking honestly about your insecurities because there jealousy is present in polyamory too. So that’s going to come up for sure.

You know how do you feel about giving gifts to another person and then there’s things like fluid exchange. So condoms with people versus not. So just really learning of all the ins and outs of what is typical in polyamory and getting really very specific about how you feel about each and every one of those things as a couple and individually.

Sean Jameson: I think that is some really great advice. So is it harder then do you think when you are polyamorous to maintain intimacy with a primary partner compared to a monogamous relationship?

Poly Anna: It can be. I mean it is a matter of time, right? The more people you add to your relationship pod, the more people you have to spend time with and then you have work and life and so it can get really complicated. A lot of polyamorous people will have like schedules where they’ll spend Tuesdays with person A and then the primary person they live with. So they’ll have their nesting partner that they see every day.

Maybe they’ll go spend Tuesdays and Wednesdays at person B’s house. So it can be a juggle for sure. You have to reach the right balance and discuss it over time. Like maybe start off with X amount of days where you spend with your secondary partner if you are doing a hierarchy thing and then you discuss it overtime in those relationship hierarchy conversations which I mentioned before have to keep happening and then you might mix up your equation if something needs to change. It can be complex. It can be difficult.

Sean Jameson: Okay and so can we talk about some of your relationships, past relationships, would that be okay?

Poly Anna: Sure, absolutely. Go ahead.

Sean Jameson: Do you have any I guess the contrast any standout relationships, polyamorous relationships that worked really well and then I love to contrast them with perhaps relationships that didn’t work so well and just figure out why one worked well and one didn’t work so well.

Poly Anna: Yeah, so I mean if you talk about exes obviously they didn’t work out for a reason, right? So it is probably helpful if I talk about the dynamics of it. So as a single person that’s really been my main experience of polyamory. I decided individually that I am polyamorous and sometimes that forces people to decide in a couple that they are polyamorous to go about it that way.

So for me, it worked out really well dynamic wise is keeping it divided and individual and part of that is because I’ll date sometimes couples and sometimes I’ll date singles and so they won’t necessarily date each other and you know maybe one day that will kind of – I might have two sides meet. I have had that happen where two sides have met and then they’ve clicked too. Never say never, it is more than impossible. It happens all the time so that’s really what’s worked out well for me as a single person which makes sense because if I am the apex of whatever that shape is, then me being the starting point and keeping it divided and dividing and conquering really can work out.

One relationship format that really did not work out well for me and I can’t say it is because of the format itself as much as the situation lacked in communication and pre-education was kind of the group dating dynamics. So it was a couple that I was dating and it was also approached with non-hierarchy which I think was probably part of the issue certainly for them.

And I don’t mind hierarchy at all, so maybe that was also an issue for me. It is probably something I should think about.

Sean Jameson: So hierarchy would be?

Poly Anna: Yeah, so that is where you distinguish whether or not somebody is a primary connection, secondary connection or more casual connection. So for example, if I was dating a couple and they are established, they’re married, in a hierarchy situation, they are each other’s primary and then even if I am dating both of them or even just one of them then I’d be the secondary or casual connection. So I would be lower on the relationship hierarchy. So lower on the relationship totem pole basically.

Which for me, I am not a competitive person so that really works out for me and I guess out for them too but they approached it and I think it was probably again from the lack of education standpoint and really taking the time to think about how they felt about it in advance which I should have taken the time to educate that. So that is on me too. I had to share that. So they approached it like, “No this is group, no hierarchy from the start.”

And then that didn’t really work out for them. So that can work out. It works out well for a lot of people but you have to decide in advance whether or not hierarchy or non-hierarchy is right for you before you enter a group situation like that. So for me that was definitely something that I’d be cautious of in the future probably because of that past experience.

Sean Jameson: Well thanks for sharing.

Poly Anna: My pleasure.

Sean Jameson: So I am wondering for people listening that decide that they want to give polyamory or non-monogamy a try, are there any major stumbling blocks that prevent them from doing it easily that don’t mess up their current relationship, mess up their polyamorous relationship.

Poly Anna: Well I think one of the things that I see most often is again moving too fast. So a lot of people will move into it too quickly.

Sean Jameson: They’re all excited.

Poly Anna: Yeah, exactly and then the communication piece like if you are not used to – when you are dating monogamous, you are used to your partner being your best friend, right? And so sometimes it is difficult to transition into transparency. So you’ll be dating one person and then you’ll add another person to the mix and maybe you’ll keep things from one partner or the other in terms of what’s on your mind, thoughts, how you’re feeling and then that really can be a huge mess in the end.

So you really have to be honest at all times and I will caution people to make sure that you’re being honest at all times. I mean consider your audience and be graceful about it and be considerate and compassionate about it. But if you’ve got something on your mind that’s important and that affects your relationship, don’t keep it away from one partner versus the other because that makes it an adversarial thing even if it is unintentionally. Even if it is with the best of intentions.

So I would say that’s one thing that I see a lot happening is that people will not maybe know the transparency is important and then they will find themselves in all sorts of sticky situations. “Well he said this.” Or she said that when you all come together and competition happens.

Sean Jameson: “I thought you wouldn’t mind. I just presumed. I assumed.”

Poly Anna: Right or to communicating boundaries and then communicating boundaries as they change. Those are also important.

Sean Jameson: So they are two separate things.

Poly Anna: Yeah, communicating boundaries are in the first place and then communicating it unless they change is really important because those are the fundamental building blocks of how you treat each person in your relationship in relation to how you are interacting with each person in the relationship. So I’ve gotten actually – and have been in the relationship in the past where that was an issue and there was a feeling of betrayal happening because I was communicated one boundary. That had changed and I wasn’t made aware of that boundary and then my partner crossed that boundary without telling me that we were crossing a boundary that had been re-established.

So as you can see it is a lot more complex of a relationship type to have, so it is not for the faint of heart but it is also not for those that are not willing to humble themselves and be a little bit selfless at times and you can’t be impulsive about it. You can’t be selfish about it at all.

Sean Jameson: You know I think that is great advice. Slow down and don’t be so fast about things. Be honest and be open with what you want and I think it is very important in any relationship that boundaries and things change but as well as that you actually have to communicate it. So everyone involved knows where they stand and where you stand.

Poly Anna: Yeah and that is one of the most – things do change and that is one of the most beautiful parts to me of polyamory is that it has this great potential for a relationship evolution. You are not going to enter a polyamorous dating world with the same type of relationships or the same dynamics throughout the entire experience. You are not going to have the same set of 10 commandments that follow you through all time.

Things are going to change over time and I think that that’s really beautiful because we all change over time. I mean actually monogamous relationships in my opinion can learn from this too. Because let’s say you’re a young kid, you’re 19, you get married and you are in this monogamous relationship and you have all these rules that you’re getting. Well you are going to grow as a couple over time and you’re going to grow individually over time.

So having the same rules and standards even with the constraints of a non-monogamous relationship is something that’s going to have the potential to cause conflict to make rifts in the marriage later on down the road. So following the example of polyamory from a relationship evolution and monogamy I think is something that can really benefit monogamous relationships long term.

Sean Jameson: That’s cool. I like that advice. So would you advice everyone and every couple to try polyamory?

Poly Anna: No, I wouldn’t. If it is not right for you, it’s not right for you. Now I actually did an episode on this yesterday on a phenomenon that I am calling ‘bettersexuals’ and so I know how proud I am of my own growth in my sexploration, in knowing and owning and be proud of and celebrating my sexual self and that journey has been wonderful and I have more confidence and pride and strength in my voice than ever before.

But some people take that experience and good for them for celebrating themselves, but they take that experience and then they go a little too far with it and thinks that they’re just self-discovery which is so valid for them is so abundantly valid but it applies to everyone else. So there is a lot of voices out there that I have heard and that is why I addressed it yesterday, I think it is so wrong when people say that everyone is polyamorous they just haven’t woken up yet, they’re all asleep. I think that is ridiculous. Not everyone.

Sean Jameson: I absolutely agree, it is like someone pushing their religious beliefs on you. Someone telling you, “You must be vegan,” or the worst of all, someone telling you, “You got to do CrossFit. It is the only way”.

Poly Anna: Right, I like CrossFit. Yeah I know.

Sean Jameson: I like CrossFit too but I like CrossFit. I do cross fit but it is that attitude of I guess you do something you feel good. You see the benefits and then you think those benefits apply to everyone and every situation but you just don’t know about it.

Poly Anna: Yeah, it is so oppressive and I think that it is so arrogant too. I mean there is absolutely such thing as monogamy. Monogamy does exists and it is a valid relationship format that is you being true to you. So not everyone should try polyamory. I mean that is like saying everyone should try peanuts. Some people are allergic to peanuts, so not everyone should try peanuts. You know it is not for everyone. I think there is definitely significant population out there that are polyamorous. And that is growing.

It is not popular to be polyamorous in terms of mainstream. It is not something that everyone can be open about being. There are social risks involved when it comes to that but I think there’s definitely a significant population that’s out there but it is not everyone. So I think that you should try polyamory if you reached the point after educating yourself, after taking the time for really spending a good amount of introspection and you feel called to it I think then you should try polyamory but in no other case.

Sean Jameson: Great, the last question I have for you before we wrap up is people that are in a polyamorous in a non-monogamous relationship, should they hide it from others? Should they celebrate it and shout it from the roof tops? Because I think a lot of people are worried about that. They are worried about fitting in and we all are to a degree, some more than others, they don’t want to make their life all defined by their relationship.

So what advice would you have for people about being in a polyamorous relationship, a non-monogamous relationship and in communicating that or not communicating that to others?

Poly Anna: That’s a very difficult choice and a very personal choice. There is risk out there and I think people should be aware of that. The world is not ready to openly accept polyamory like it has always seemed to accept monogamy. So coming out of the polyamory closet is something that you’ve got to consider for work, for career, even for family. I mean for me coming from my conservative Christian family there’s members of my family since I have come out of it as being bisexual, polyamorous that I don’t talk to anymore. So I’ve been rejected by some members of my own family.

Sean Jameson: I’m sorry to hear that.

Poly Anna: Thank you. You know it’s something that I feel like I’d rather be myself than lose people along the way then hopefully I will get them back but that’s just I’d rather be myself than more openly. And then even just coming out as bisexual, I worked for – I have nothing against Christians because I grew up Christian. It meant a lot to me growing up but I am also not trying to hate on Christians today. But I worked for a family, a Christian company here and it became known amongst my coworkers that I was bisexual and that I was dating a man and a woman at the same time.

And in routine layoffs, I was the only person laid off. So you can either – there is a lot of risks out there for sure and it is a very personal choice. So I would say good for you and I am proud of you if you want to embrace it openly like I did but by no means I don’t think that anyone should pressure each other to come out of the closet when it comes to any sex subculture that they belong to. Come out when you are ready, when the time is right for you and if you feel called to.

Sean Jameson: That is a great place I think to end things Poly Anna. I’m just wondering, thanks first of all for coming on the podcast but I am just wondering if people want to find out more about you, get in touch with you and find out more about polyamory where can they find you?

Poly Anna: Absolutely but I think I sent you the link to my website, that’s a really great place that you’ll I hope leave in the comments or leave in the description for people. If they go to that website, they’ll find all my links. I am actually on quite a few platforms for my podcast. It is 11 and actually I think I found a few others today.

So I have all those podcast platforms linked on my website as well as my social media, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, all of the above.

Sean Jameson: Great, so people just search for Sexploration with Poly Anna on Tuesdays or the After Josh with Poly Anna on Thursdays.

Poly Anna: Right.

Sean Jameson: Great, Poly Anna thanks so much for coming on the show.

Poly Anna: Oh it’s been my pleasure. Thank you.

[END OF INTERVIEW]

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